The Sand Pebbles Movie Message Board
(Although individual responses are not usually listed here, I do answer all email I receive)
From: Larry Hull
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:46 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Great Web site
The only thing I would like to see added is where this music can be bought and down loaded. Again, a very well done web page!!
Thanks
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From: Mark Schmeling
Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:41 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: The Sand Pebbles...
Dear Crispin,
I keep coming back to your site as one who must have seen the 200 minute
roadshow engagement print at the Music Hall theater in Detroit. I too
recall the DINNER WITH SHIRLEY scene, but I remember quite vividly a
still from that scene , not among the Italian lobby cards, but on the
back cover of the paperback edition of the novel released to coincide
with the film. I had cut it out and taped it to the inside of my school
locker at one point in time. Nice job with this website.
Cheers,
Mark Schmeling
Berkley, Michigan USA
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From: Haristas
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:49 AM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: 2-CD Sand Pebbles
Hi Cris,
It's been a while since I've talked to you, but I'm still here and still a big SAND PEBBLES fan. Just getting ready to watch the movie again for its 45th anniversary and comes this news:
http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.7333/.f
I also found this great web page with interesting stuff (Emil Kosa Jr. reference) you might like to look at:
http://nzpetesmatteshot.blogspot.com/2011/07/salute-to-20th-century-fox-special.html
Rory
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From: Paul Rossen
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:37 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Goldsmith's music to TSP
Hi Cris,
Hope you are well and having a great Holiday Season!
Just in case you didn't know Intrada Records has just released Goldsmith's great score to TSP. The Varese release is sold out and out of print (except for Ebay!!!!).
Thus, this is a chance for new 'fan's to purchase the score at a reasonable cost.
Best Regards,
Paul
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INTRADA Presents:
THE SAND PEBBLES
Music Composed and Conducted by JERRY GOLDSMITH
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The 1966 20th Century Fox film The Sand Pebbles features one of Jerry Goldsmith's most significant scores. Just five years into his film career and already a double Academy-award nominee, the opportunity came to him as "an accident" when Alex North dropped out. Goldsmith was slated to score MGM's Grand Prix, but Fox stole him away. Goldsmith constructed his score around two love themes one "American" (which became a much-recorded popular song with lyrics by Leslie Bricusse, "And We Were Lovers") and one "Chinese." In addition to the strong love themes, Goldsmith crafted a score featuring a dramatic infusion of military, action, and Asian influences, leading to a powerful work that remains one of his finest, even considering the decades of Goldsmith's film scoring that succeeded it.
Intrada presents the definitive release of The Sand Pebbles, including alternates in this comprehensive 2-CD set. The process of this restoration began with recalling the 2 24-track protection masters made from the original 35mm multi-track magnetic elements in the 1990s. Retransferred at 96k/24 bit resolution, this facilitated the repair of each separate track of audio and the finessing of balance, equalization and stereo steering to bring out the dynamic brilliance of the Fox scoring stage and the studio orchestra's consummate performance under the exacting baton of Lionel Newman. The original 1966 album master thankfully provided a stereo version of the cue "Repel Boarders," which survived in the Fox material only as a monaural dub. Previously unreleased cues fill out the first-ever complete presentation of the score on Disc 1, while a second disc features album versions, alternates and six pieces of period source music recorded for the film.
The Sand Pebbles tells the story of Jake Holman's (Steve McQueen) service on board the San Pablo, an American gunboat patrolling the Yangtze River in 1926, during a time in which China was "ravaged from within by corrupt warlords, oppressed from without by the great world powers, a country of factions trying to unite to become a nation through revolution."
INTRADA MAF 7116
Retail Price: $24.99
For track listing and sound samples, please visit:
http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.7333/.f
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To: Crispin Garcia
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:18 PM
From: Crystal Ladybug
Subject: The Sand Pebbles
Hello,
You have a wonderful and informative site on The Sand Pebbles! I had a
fun and intriguing time browsing through it!
I was curious as to whether or not you had any additional information
on Simon Oakland, who played Stawski? My friend Lucky Ladybug and I
have an under-construction tribute website for Simon, but we've found that
information and anecdotes are hard to come by.
We were also curious as to whether or not you'd like to affiliate to
our site. If not, could we get your permission to link to your site
when we make our Links section?
Thanks for your time!
Sincerely,
Crystal Rose
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The Unofficial Simon Oakland Tribute
Companion Blog: From the Desks of the INS: In Honor of Simon Oakland
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From: John Hess
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:46 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: RE: The Sand Pebbles
Thanks for the response Crispin. I heard about it after watching TSP on the Fox Movie Channel in an interview with someone whom I forget. This person indicated the alternate ending was filmed but not used which is why I thought it might exist and hoped to view someday. Do you know if a version exists which includes the deleted scenes? I didn't get to see all of it on Fox but did catch some of them and would like to see the beginning when Jake is on the USS Texas.
Sounds like your information indicates this was rumor only and Jake shall forever remain in China!
Appreciate you clearing this up…
Regards,
John
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Response - While I still think the person stating that an alternate ending was shot is hearsay I am not the definitive expert on the film since I've never had access to the movie files which are maintained at the UCLA Film and Television Archive department in California. I am just going by everything I've ever heard or read about the film's production. The China Light ending was shot at the Fox Ranch in Malibu and were some of the final scenes to be filmed. Seeing is believing and other than the person you mentioned no one else I know has seen this alternate ending. If you own the 2007 DVD 2-disc set which contains the theatrical and roadshow versions then you have all of the scenes presently available to the public. The scenes deleted from the 200 minute audience test version (if they still exist and were not destroyed) should be in the archive vaults at UCLA. This would include the missing USS Texas introduction scene.
Thanks for writing back to let me know about the Fox person claiming an alternate ending was filmed.
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From: John Hess
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:39 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Re: The Sand Pebbles
Hello,
I am really pleased to have found your website and thank you. The Sand Pebbles is one of my favorite movies and I am particularly interested in the deleted scenes. I understand an ending was filmed where Jake Holman lives and makes it back to the ship (to appease Steve McQueen) but that is wasn't used to create a more powerful ending. Do you know if this alternate ending exists and is available to view? I would love to see it and think Jake at least lives one time when watching the movie!
Thanks.
John
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Response - Thanks for your kind words. The story of an alternate ending to the Sand Pebbles has circulated on the internet for many years possibly fueled by a passage in Casey St. Charnez’s book “The Complete Films of Steve McQueen”, Citadel Press 1992.
“McQueen and Wise differ often on how a scene should be shot, and Wise acquiesces by shooting two versions of the scenes in question. Wise's editorial sense prevails and none of McQueen's versions end up in the final print. At least, however, there is a final print, which many Jeremiahs along the way have predicted there would not be.”
In the past I’ve talked to a close personal aide to Robert Wise when he was living and there was never any discussion regarding an alternate ending created to please Steve McQueen. Although it is a known fact that McQueen was unhappy with the ending there was never any concession by Wise to alter the story as it would have been a discredit to the acclaimed novel the movie was based on. Wise would have been very firm on this particular point. I don’t expect our discussion here to stop the rumors of an alternate ending, people will believe what they like.
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From: Michael Tomkins
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 3:55 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Re: The San Pablo's builder -- a question answered
Hi Crispin
Thanks for sharing the info with your readers. It seems I've since
answered my next question, thanks again to your site. You have a video
showing the San Pablo under construction, and it very clearly shows a
shed marked "Cheoy Lee" in the background. They're probably the
best-known Hong Kong-based shipbuilder (http://www.cheoylee.com),
established in 1870, and their yard was located in Penny's Bay, Lantau
Island from the 1930s until 2001, when they moved their operations to
mainland China. The Hong Kong Government purchased their yard, and
after decontaminating the land, it was redeveloped to become Hong Kong
Disneyland, so there's every chance the slipway on which San Pablo sat
is now part of the Disney park.
I'd infer from the video that the San Pablo was either built by Cheoy
Lee (perhaps under contract from Vaughan and Yung?), or that the
latter's yard was located immediately adjacent to Cheoy Lee's in
Penny's Bay. I can't so far find any confirmation either way -- it
seems like every time I answer one question, I turn up another. ;-)
It might be interesting to contact Cheoy Lee themselves, or the
members of their owners' association
(http://www.cheoyleeassociation.com/), and see whether they can
provide any further information on Vaughan and Yung, or the San
Pablo's construction. The yard number mentioned in the video -- hull
287 -- might be helpful in that cause, although I don't *think* it's a
Cheoy Lee yard number, as I've read that they started their numbering
scheme in the 1940s, and were already beyond the thousand mark by the
early 60s.
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?81293-Cheoy-Lee-Mystery&s=af16c7820976210142e61d193fd31b22
And there's one further interesting point in the thread I just linked
-- a post from October 2008 specifically states that the San Pablo was
built by Cheoy Lee, although the poster may just be guessing based on
having seen the same video linked from your site. You can see what's
likely the same Cheoy Lee shed in his picture that appears in your
video, though...
Cheers
Michael
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From: Michael Tomkins
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:03 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: The San Pablo's builder -- a question answered
Dear Crispin
The Sand Pebbles was a topic over a family dinner tonight, and a
comment from my father-in-law launched me on a brief quest to learn
more about the film, and the San Pablo. I quickly discovered your
excellent site, which answered most of our questions, but also raised
another.
Way back in May 1999, a reader of your site by the name of
"Navionflyr" posed the question -- what happened to "Vaughn & Jung
Engineering Ltd.", the Hong Kong-based builder of the San Pablo prop.
A quick Google, as it did for Navionflyr twelve years ago, turned up
almost nothing. I grew up in Hong Kong myself, and had never heard of
the company, but made a guess that the spelling was incorrect -- and
it turned out to be the case.
The company name was actually "VAUGHAN AND YUNG ENGINEERING COMPANY
LIMITED", and according to a China-based corporate information
website, they continued in business until June 13th, 1987. The site's
in Chinese, but Google Translate does a pretty good job with it.
http://www.corptrading.net/hktool/cps.jsp?key=8630-315742e4
English-language confirmation is available from the Hong Kong
Government's Companies Registry. They list Vaughan and Yung -- company
registry number 009058 -- as being incorporated on July 24th, 1963,
and also confirm that it was dissolved on June 13th, 1987:
http://www.icris.cr.gov.hk/csci/login_i.do?loginType=iguest&username=iguest
...and MaritimeDatabase.com confirms that Vaughan and Yung was a shipbuilder:
http://www.maritime-database.com/company.php?cid=306913
...and that's where the trail dries up. I'd be interested to know
where Vaughan and Yung's yards were located, but it's beyond my Google
skills, at least for the moment. Perhaps somebody else will answer
that question for me, a decade from now. At the least, I've hopefully
put a question to rest for somebody else, even if Navionflyr may have
long since forgotten their own question. ;-)
Kind regards
Michael R. Tomkins
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From: Ian Elliot
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 5:48 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Marayat Andriane interview
Hi Crispin. I guessing you've probably caught this already, but just in case... (it's in French, I think I understand about every third word!)
Cheers, Ian Elliot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj5t-HKupp0
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From: Dennis Noble
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:43 AM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Research material on Richard McKenna
Crispin,
Wonder if you could put this on your Sand Pebbles Site:
I have just finished with the first phase of researching Richard McKenna's life. Would like to point out to anyone interested in the author of The Sand Pebbles the marvelous research material available at the library of the Richard McKenna Charter High School in Mountain Home, Idaho. The even have the shooting script for the movie, plus many other items and especially letters McKenna wrote. It is a treasure trove. Plus the library is a wonderful place to work. Thanks.
Dr. Dennis L. Noble
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From: Jeff Cordell
Sent: Tuesday, 19 Apr 2011 5:24 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Sand Pebbles
Just in case you are interested. IMFdb is a website documenting the types of firearms used in movies, television, etc. Here is the link to the page for the Sand Pebbles. I'm one of the site moderators and did a lot of the work on this page.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/The_Sand_Pebbles
Jeff Cordell
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Response - A great resource for not only Sand Pebbles fans but for many other films as well. Thanks for sharing!
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From: Aaron Hofius
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Ralph Bringewatt, Sand Pebbles
My grandfather, Ralph Bringewatt has one speaking line (when on the dock as an evacuating American, he is asked "Where's Jameson" my grandfather answers "He wouldn't come."). [Click here for scene.] He and a number of my aunts and uncles appear as extras in two scenes. I'd love to know more about how Robert Wise chose the extras. My grandparents were Lutheran missionaries in Taiwan at the time of the movie and had no acting experience whatsoever. They enjoyed being in the movie and talked about it until they passed away some years ago.
--
Rev. Aaron D. Hofius
Pastor
Cornerstone Presbyterian Church
P.O. Box 270208
St. Louis, MO 63127
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Response - That's a great story! I wish I could help more with the answer on how the extras were selected for the movie but unfortunately I can't. They were obviously well qualified for the roles. The answer may lie in the UCLA Film and Television Archives where most of the documentation regarding the film's production reside and something I do not have access to.
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From: Doug Knox
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:47 AM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Sand Pebbles
Love the website. Do you have any idea what might have happened to the scale model Wise used during the construction of San Pablo??
Doug Knox
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Response - That's a good question and I've often thought about it while watching the featurette "A Ship Called San Pablo". No one has ever provided details about this scale model, perhaps someday someone will.
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From: Guy Maes
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 5:48 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Sand Pebbles
Hello,
Congrats for your site, very good ideas and working, photos, extras, etc. Im a French guy, 46, and just show Sand Pebbles to my step son, 16, yesterday. He's a no talking kid but I saw in his eyes that he appreciated this film as I did when I was 12 or 13 don't really remember.
I really like this movie, i advise you to glance at in his french version ; the voice of SMQ is very good, sharp, better that the real voice ! I miss him very much, he was a friend of my childhood. We miss you Steve.
Keep up the good work Crispin,
Guy
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From: Lee Sellars
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:38 AM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: SP in HD
Congratulations and thanks for your superb website Mr. Garcia.
I've always loved The Sand Pebbles since I first saw it on it's initial theatrical release.
It's currently screening on Sky Movies in the UK in HD.
The quality is superb and makes a vast improvement on the old SD version that has been transmitted in the past.
Regards
Lee Sellars
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From: David Stedman
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:35 AM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Sand Pebbles
Nice to see other people appreciate this great underrated picture. I have watched this film on a regular basis for well over 30 years and never tire of it. I’d say it was probably my favorite film. Other McQueen films are always talked about, but this one rarely crops up. He gives a really great performance in it I think. I remember when I first saw it being really gutted when he dies at the end, but with maturity I realise this is a really adult film and the lack of a happy ending is brave & realistic. Should have won Oscars, but the Vietnam parallels probably went against it.
Dave
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From: William A. Stimson
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:47 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Career Military
I never served in the U.S. Navy, but was a soldier for 12 years, from 1947-1959. Few films have ever captured the unique esprit and culture of professional military man. "Sand Pebbles" does. Steve McQueen played beautifully the role of career people whose love is extremely narrow, embracing only their unit. They are cold to everything else. They are tough, tough men with little regard for most of the ideals imputed to them by politicians and generals (or admirals.)
Bill Stimson
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From: Stuart Fernie
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:23 AM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Sand Pebbles "video discussion" on Youtube
Hi Crispin,
We haven’t spoken for a while – remember I wrote the “Reflections on the Sand Pebbles” page? I thought I’d let you know that I’ve made a “video discussion” of my page – it’s in two parts on Youtube.
You’ll find part one at - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnULp0oXtZg
And part two at - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6o8L6fxGGA
I can’t say it’s exactly as I wanted it, but it’ll do as an introduction to some of the characters and main themes.
I’m delighted to see your site is still going strong – hope all is going well for you.
All the best,
Stuart (in the Highlands of Scotland)
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From: Tim
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:26 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: BAR
Got a BAR blank adapter that came from Hollywood Arms Supply Company. No documentation but they supplyed the 1918 BAR for the movie. Also for the series "Combat". Works well in reenactments.
Tim
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From: Robert Markowitz
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 2:13 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: The Sand Pebbles...
Dear Mr. Garcia;
Thank you so very very much for this magnificent website on The Sand Pebbles! I've visited your site several times in the past, but have spent the last two or three hours really checking it out. The Sand Pebbles has been one of my very favorite movies ever since I first saw it as a young lad. Being a Steve McQueen fan, I have always thought this was one of his best performances. I kept going on and on and found myself researching Robert Wise and Richard McKenna more than I did in the past. It's very sad that most of the great characters associated with this magnificent film have passed on but, you sir are helping to keep them alive forever. I have so much admiration for you and what you've done. A tremendous website, please keep up the good work and know that there are those of us out here that are very appreciative for what you've done and the wonderful way it is presented.
ALL my respect and thanks,
Robert Markowitz
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From: David Mayhan
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:11 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Sand Pebbles on the REALLY big screen in L.A. on June 18
The American Cinematheque will show what they are listing as a "digitally restored" showing of The Sand Pebbles on Friday, June 18, 2010 at 7:30 p.m. as part of a Steve McQueen series.
At the Egyptian Theatre on Hollywood Blvd. in Hollywood, USA. They have a really large screen that can do justice to any widescreen presentation.
This may simply be a digital showing. I don't know if it is actually "restored". In any event, it is the first showing of the SP in any movie theatre in the Greater L.A. in many, many years, as I have kept an eagle eye out for such things.
David Mayhan
Eagle Rock, CA.
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Response - David, thanks for the screening information. I plan to be there and encourage all TSP fans to attend if it's at all feasible. It has been confirmed by a reliable source, in addition to the Egyptian theater listing, that a Sharp digital projector will be used for the presentation. It will not be the new 35mm print struck in 2007. More information on the theater and its restoration can be found here:
http://sites.google.com/site/hollywoodtheatres/egyptian
The Sand Pebbles was digitally restored (both the picture and audio) during a lengthy period beginning in 2005 and completing in 2007. Richard W. Haines provides a description of the process on the Home Theater Shack website. - CG
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From: Trail, John M CIV NAVSTA Everett, N3175
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:19 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: USS "San Pablo" engine
Crispin,
In the early 1990's, I worked as a volunteer aboard the SS Lane Victory a restored and functioning Victory ship home ported and displayed in San Pedro, California. I was asked by the Captain of the ship at the time, John Smith, to drive down to San Diego a visit a freight yard to check on a antique marine engine that they had acquired from an estate there.
I cannot recall the name of the yard, but I arrived there and took a look at the triple expansion steam engine which they were ready to ship north to Long Beach. I was told it was originally from a Whaler built in 1926 in Vancouver (Canada or Washington, I do not know) and bought by 20th Century Fox to use in the movie "The Sand Pebbles." After the movie had been filmed and the engine removed from the set that they had built around it, I was told that a collector who liked old marine and railroad engines had purchased it from Fox and had taken it out to his estate and stored it in a barn.
I took some photographs of the engine, which was in pretty bad shape and then headed back to Long Beach. I reported to the Captain and he then told me that it was being shipped up to Long Beach and that they were going to put it in a lay-down yard near the Navy base at Terminal Island. He wanted me to check on it to see if it arrived in one piece. After it had arrived in Long Beach, I went down to the lay-down yard and immediately notice that the shippers had cut the shaft and had taken the thrust box off as the whole thing would not fit onto the short trailer bed that they had used to haul it up Long Beach. I was upset, but I figured that the people in charge knew what they were doing. I took some giant plastic sheets and covered it up as best as I could. But before I left, I had to put my hand on the throttle and say, "Hello engine, my name in John Trail."
I wish I could have stayed around to assist the SS Lane Victory association in restoring the engine, but I was transferred to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii in September of 1994.
In 2006, I had a chance to visit my old haunts when my ship stood into San Diego for the weekend. I rented a car and drove north up to San Pedro to visit the SS Lane Victory and see the "Sand Pebbles" engine display. I am very pleased and happy that she has been restored as a visual display and have a lot of respect for the men that put in the long hours to do it. But, again, when no one was looking, I crossed over the tourist barrier and put my hand on the throttle repeating "Hello engine, my name in John Trail."
As a big fan of the movie, I have acquired an original movie poster and have it framed in my den. I also purchased a engine room Engine Order Telegraph exactly like the one used in the movie. I have restored most of it but the guts are missing so the bell will not work. I also bought a Steve McQueen "Great Escape" doll, and dressed in dungarees just like in the movie. It is on a prominent display on top of my TV.
Captain John M. Trail
Master
Pokagon YTB-836
QMCS(SW/AW)CM
USN (ret.)
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From: Peri Lyons
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:18 AM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Hi: Charles Knox Robinson's niece here
Hi Crispin!
Peri Lyons here. My fiance and I just re-watched "SP" (he's an actor,next film "Wall Street 2:Money Never Sleeps")- and we were blown away by how great it was. I hadn't seen it for years...it's SO worth a re-visit!
Since my much-loved "Uncle Charlie" played the ensign in SP, wanted to say that if you want any background stories about filming, etc, feel free to drop me a line. My 80-year-old mom, CKR's sister, knows a lot of cool tales!
Oh, and to the person who asked about Charles Knox Robinson's info on IMDB, the answer is: IMDB gets a lot of stuff wrong. They had Charles and his father, the B'way playwright and screenwriter Charles Knox Robinson II, completely confused.
Best wishes
Peri
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From: David Mayhan
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:23 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: The Sand Pebbles (?) at American Cinematheque
Dear Mr. Garcia,
Came across your wonderful S.P. website.
Thought you'd like to know that in their recent monthly program listings, the American Cinematheque of Los Angeles, CA announces that upcoming they will have a series "The Films of Steve McQueen".
Please, if you have any influence, encourage them to show S.P., especially the roadshow or 70 mm. version, if it exists.
I have waited patiently in Southern California for ANYBODY to show S.P. on the big screen and it seems like it's been 15 or 20 years.
The AMPAS should also strike a new print with the help of 20th Century Fox.
Here's hoping! Thanks, David Mayhan, Los Angeles, CA.
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From: JB
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 12:29 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Jake's hometown
Just a quick question. Why Grover Utah for Jake's hometown?
What was the connection to Mr. McKenna as he could have picked a gazillion towns across the USA?
Thanks for taking the time,
John Barsevich
Woodbury CT
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Response - You ask a good question. In the novel "The Sand Pebbles" Jake Holman came from Nevada. I don't believe the exact town was ever mentioned in the book because he refused to talk about his past, unlike in the movie where he tells Shirley many things about his life in Grover Utah. Reportedly, Richard McKenna spent some time working with screenwriter Robert Anderson while the script was being written. Why the change from Nevada to Utah? Here's my guess. In the movie when Maily is quizzing all the sailors on their hometowns or states she displayed her education by matching each reference with a quickly recognizable geographic or historical landmark. Trenton, NJ (the Delaware), Philadelphia (the Liberty Bell), etc. Utah has a well known landmark (Salt Lake City) whereas Nevada in 1926 probably
did not. According to one website "Grover Utah" is a CENSUS CLASS U6 meaning "A populated place that is not a census designated or incorporated place having an official federally recognized name". Interestingly enough a picture of Grover Utah today just shows a wooden building there.
http://utah.hometownlocator.com/ut/wayne/grover.cfm - CG
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From: Rory
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:08 PM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: Fox Ranch in TSP
Hi Cris,
I spotted Malibu Creek State Park in a current commercial for "Turbo Tax" and did a screen capture of it. You'll see what this has to do with TSP in the attached photo. I've already brought this to your attention, but here it is again!
Rory
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From: Moretti Olivier
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:29 AM
To: Crispin Garcia
Subject: The Sand Pebbles...
Happy New Year, I send you two illustrations : a finished one and a work in progress, hope you'll like them...
Illustration #1
Illustration #2
http://oliviermoretti.blogspot.com/
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Response - Excellent, thank you! - CG
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